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Postby madr0x » Mon May 04, 2009 9:27 pm

The thread for all X-Factor fans to converse on the hands-down best X-book out there at this present time.
I would prefer it to not only comment on the book's past storylines, but also the awesome current storylines, and the readers' hopes for the future of the book.
To protect the spoilers that Mr. PAD wishes only the readers be privy to, I ask all posters to use such phrases as "regarding the latest character development of Siryn in #52" instead of such posts as "why did Siryn make out with Monet and mention that she would like to adopt an aborigine orphan with her at the end of issue 52?"
X-Factor fans unite and converse!
(And realize that we are a secret PAD sanctioned fraternity)!
Well, not really. Unless PAD decides to recognize us.. :D
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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby redjb » Tue May 05, 2009 11:33 pm

A lovely thought, although X-Factor threads typically revolve around the same few things:

- The same twelve posters (including you and I) saying it's good.

- Spoilers about the most recent issue.

- or someone calling out PAD to some degree.

- I almost forgot; complaining about the artwork.

I do like discussing this series, but if such a thread is to be successful, it must be more then just a praise thread. Perhaps an "X-Factor speculation threrad", where we talk about what we think might happen. Or the "X-Factor forgotten subplots thread" where we ask questions like: Whatever happend to Mr. Tryp? Did they ever tell their clients the truth about M-day? What's the deal with Clay the hitman and why did he appear in the Isolationist arc if he wasn't going to menace Madrox at all? Why are Longshot and Darwin sticking with the team?

pleanty to discuss really...
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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby SCipio_66 » Wed May 06, 2009 12:01 am

redjb wrote:Why are Longshot and Darwin sticking with the team?


I've wondered that myself. Neither really seems to have a reason to stick around, nor does the agency really seem to have a reason for hirig them.

I suppose Longshot just really has nothing better to do right now, and with Terry running the agency maybe his "charms" have her keeping him around. You'd think Darwin would continue his quest from where he left off before he got kidnapped.

I am curious exactly what happened to Longshot in the last issue (is this a new power, or an explanation of his old power), but I'm not sure how many spoilers we want to list here.

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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby Peter David » Wed May 06, 2009 2:28 pm

SCipio_66 wrote:
redjb wrote:Why are Longshot and Darwin sticking with the team?


I've wondered that myself. Neither really seems to have a reason to stick around, nor does the agency really seem to have a reason for hirig them.

I suppose Longshot just really has nothing better to do right now, and with Terry running the agency maybe his "charms" have her keeping him around. You'd think Darwin would continue his quest from where he left off before he got kidnapped.

I am curious exactly what happened to Longshot in the last issue (is this a new power, or an explanation of his old power), but I'm not sure how many spoilers we want to list here.

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Don't worry about spoilers. Seriously.

The main reason I was being so obsessive about it over the last few months was because I was taking great pains to set up the new status quo/storyline and I wanted it to be as unexpected as possible. But it's all been set up now. Sure, I have some shockers up my sleeve, but the main stuff is all in place.

You know what I take issue with? Commentary that says, "I stood in the store and flipped through it. A happened, then B happened, then C happened, and then D happened. Meh. I put it back." And people go, "Wow! Great review! I was planning to buy it, but now I'm not!" That leaves me sitting there going, "Aw, c'mon!"

But if you read an issue and, in an appropriately marked thread, you want to say, "Oh my God! Val Cooper turns out to be Siryn's sister! Holy crap! How does this fit into the long term story arc?" then, y'know, fine. Whatever. To me there's a vast difference between excited discussion of events and just blowing the story for the sake of blowing it.

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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby fuzwadd » Wed May 06, 2009 4:32 pm

PAD,

First of all, you're work is awesome. I can't help but to gush as I am a fanboy. :D One of my all time favorite moments was during X-Cutioner's Song when Strong Guy brought Colossus some coffee, Guido said what all was in there including Jack Daniels. Peter asked if there was any good news and the reply was something to the effect of "yes. I think I put too much Jack in here." Loved it.

Anywho, I've been wondering are there plans to bring Rahne back into the team as she had the vision of killing Jaime and Layla on there wedding or did her going to X-Force kill the chances of doing that anytime soon? I understand that you may not be at liberty to say and I respect that. But if I could get a little info it might help me with the wait...which I'm horrible at.

Thank you for your time and your work.
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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby madr0x » Wed May 06, 2009 8:22 pm

redjb wrote:A lovely thought, although X-Factor threads typically revolve around the same few things:

- The same twelve posters (including you and I) saying it's good.

- Spoilers about the most recent issue.

- or someone calling out PAD to some degree.

- I almost forgot; complaining about the artwork.

I do like discussing this series, but if such a thread is to be successful, it must be more then just a praise thread. Perhaps an "X-Factor speculation threrad", where we talk about what we think might happen. Or the "X-Factor forgotten subplots thread" where we ask questions like: Whatever happend to Mr. Tryp? Did they ever tell their clients the truth about M-day? What's the deal with Clay the hitman and why did he appear in the Isolationist arc if he wasn't going to menace Madrox at all? Why are Longshot and Darwin sticking with the team?

pleanty to discuss really...


I never really wanted Darwin on the team, but on paper, Longshot could become a very useful character. Luck and telemetry can really come in handy in PI work. Also, judging by the last issue, I'm thinking PAD is actually going to give us some insight into Longshot's head and how his luck-based powers actually work.
20 years overdue, but I'm interested.
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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby madr0x » Wed May 06, 2009 8:24 pm

SCipio_66 wrote:
redjb wrote:Why are Longshot and Darwin sticking with the team?


I've wondered that myself. Neither really seems to have a reason to stick around, nor does the agency really seem to have a reason for hirig them.

I suppose Longshot just really has nothing better to do right now, and with Terry running the agency maybe his "charms" have her keeping him around. You'd think Darwin would continue his quest from where he left off before he got kidnapped.

I am curious exactly what happened to Longshot in the last issue (is this a new power, or an explanation of his old power), but I'm not sure how many spoilers we want to list here.

-S'Cipio


I figured it was (finally) a clue as to how his luck-based power works. Way overdue.
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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby madr0x » Wed May 06, 2009 8:34 pm

Peter David wrote:
SCipio_66 wrote:
redjb wrote:Why are Longshot and Darwin sticking with the team?


I've wondered that myself. Neither really seems to have a reason to stick around, nor does the agency really seem to have a reason for hirig them.

I suppose Longshot just really has nothing better to do right now, and with Terry running the agency maybe his "charms" have her keeping him around. You'd think Darwin would continue his quest from where he left off before he got kidnapped.

I am curious exactly what happened to Longshot in the last issue (is this a new power, or an explanation of his old power), but I'm not sure how many spoilers we want to list here.

-S'Cipio


Don't worry about spoilers. Seriously.

The main reason I was being so obsessive about it over the last few months was because I was taking great pains to set up the new status quo/storyline and I wanted it to be as unexpected as possible. But it's all been set up now. Sure, I have some shockers up my sleeve, but the main stuff is all in place.

You know what I take issue with? Commentary that says, "I stood in the store and flipped through it. A happened, then B happened, then C happened, and then D happened. Meh. I put it back." And people go, "Wow! Great review! I was planning to buy it, but now I'm not!" That leaves me sitting there going, "Aw, c'mon!"

But if you read an issue and, in an appropriately marked thread, you want to say, "Oh my God! Val Cooper turns out to be Siryn's sister! Holy crap! How does this fit into the long term story arc?" then, y'know, fine. Whatever. To me there's a vast difference between excited discussion of events and just blowing the story for the sake of blowing it.

PAD


............religious feces...PAD posting in one of my threads..Sir, I know you're probably tired of people telling you how awesome a storyteller you are, but I'm going to have to ignore your feelings in this instance. Thank you very much for the Incredible Hulk stories I read as a youngster, and thank you for everything else you've given me. Spider-Man stories, Dark Tower stories, and especially X-Factor stories. You are greatly appreciated both as a storyteller and a visible advocate of the comic medium. I may seem like I'm a kiss ass, but really, I see this as possibly the closest thing I'll ever have to a chance to thanking you personally for all the great stories you've given me. God bless and I wish you and your family well.
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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby SCipio_66 » Wed May 06, 2009 11:27 pm

Peter David wrote:Don't worry about spoilers. Seriously.

The main reason I was being so obsessive about it over the last few months was because I was taking great pains to set up the new status quo/storyline and I wanted it to be as unexpected as possible. But it's all been set up now. Sure, I have some shockers up my sleeve, but the main stuff is all in place.


Thank you, sir!

But if you read an issue and, in an appropriately marked thread, you want to say, "Oh my God! Val Cooper turns out to be Siryn's sister! Holy crap!
PAD


I give it two days before that appears as a serious spoiler on some blog. ;)

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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby SCipio_66 » Wed May 06, 2009 11:41 pm

madr0x wrote:
SCipio_66 wrote:I am curious exactly what happened to Longshot in the last issue (is this a new power, or an explanation of his old power), but I'm not sure how many spoilers we want to list here.

-S'Cipio


I figured it was (finally) a clue as to how his luck-based power works. Way overdue.


That's my theory as well. So what do you think happened? When he fails at something, does he get to rewind time and try try again until he gets things right? And if so, does he have any control over this? Is he aware that he does it?

If he is, then he'd be a much more interesting character to me. The reason I've never liked characters like Darwin or Longshot or Random, is that their powers solve their problems with no effort on their part. None of them have to think about what to do. If Darwin is shot with a nerve agent, he simply (instantly) turns into a crature with no nervous system. If Longshot is walking into a building that is going to explode, the floor falls out from under him before the explosion goes off. It's not like Jamie deciding to build a human pyramid to rescue a man on top of a burning building, There is really nothing to admire about they do. They were simply "there" when their powers went to work.

Now, if Longshot has to actually undertake effort to appear lucky--maybe rewinding time several times in a desperate attempt to save a life, with less time to work with each iteration--we might be in for several intersting stories about him.

Just my opinion of course. I know Longshot has fans.

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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby RogueSmurf » Thu May 07, 2009 11:45 am

I too am still curious about whatever happened to Clay. That boy's about due for some more menacing behind-the-scenes style cameoing.

And I miss Rahne. In my opinion, she's being wasted in X-Force! She was so perfect as the little sister to Jamie and Guido in MadroX and X-Factor. She's not even really part of the story in X-Force, just a character that played the victim in the first arc, and is now sort of hanging out on the fringe. Poor Rahne.
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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby redjb » Thu May 07, 2009 5:32 pm

RogueSmurf wrote:I too am still curious about whatever happened to Clay. That boy's about due for some more menacing behind-the-scenes style cameoing.

And I miss Rahne. In my opinion, she's being wasted in X-Force! She was so perfect as the little sister to Jamie and Guido in MadroX and X-Factor. She's not even really part of the story in X-Force, just a character that played the victim in the first arc, and is now sort of hanging out on the fringe. Poor Rahne.


Yeah, Rahne being reserved for x-clusive use in X-Force has been a really poor call. Not only does she not fit in that book, but her being there makes her unavailable for not only X-Factor, but New Mutants too, where she will also be missed. I would like to see her out of X-Force and dividing her time between the two groups who love her most.
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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby durty dee » Thu May 07, 2009 6:36 pm

I like X-factor yay!

Even tho I haven't bought a comic in a year, I like where its headed.
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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby madr0x » Thu May 07, 2009 7:04 pm

SCipio_66 wrote:
madr0x wrote:
SCipio_66 wrote:I am curious exactly what happened to Longshot in the last issue (is this a new power, or an explanation of his old power), but I'm not sure how many spoilers we want to list here.

-S'Cipio


I figured it was (finally) a clue as to how his luck-based power works. Way overdue.


That's my theory as well. So what do you think happened? When he fails at something, does he get to rewind time and try try again until he gets things right? And if so, does he have any control over this? Is he aware that he does it?

If he is, then he'd be a much more interesting character to me. The reason I've never liked characters like Darwin or Longshot or Random, is that their powers solve their problems with no effort on their part. None of them have to think about what to do. If Darwin is shot with a nerve agent, he simply (instantly) turns into a crature with no nervous system. If Longshot is walking into a building that is going to explode, the floor falls out from under him before the explosion goes off. It's not like Jamie deciding to build a human pyramid to rescue a man on top of a burning building, There is really nothing to admire about they do. They were simply "there" when their powers went to work.

Now, if Longshot has to actually undertake effort to appear lucky--maybe rewinding time several times in a desperate attempt to save a life, with less time to work with each iteration--we might be in for several intersting stories about him.

Just my opinion of course. I know Longshot has fans.

-S'Cipio


I'm just throwing theories out, and maybe someone can prove me wrong, considering the only books with Longshot I've read are his miniseries, Uncanny X-Men, and X-Factor, but I'm attempting to theorize Longshot for a minute:
Let's look at his powers. He has telemetry which is a form of interacting with the past. Some items he's used telemetry on have affected him so deeply that he passed out. He has "luck" powers which allow him to affect outcomes of events. It seems like the common thread of those powers is an affinity for time. He can decipher past events and decipher (to a lesser degree it would seem) future events.
Longshot has always seemed like an innocent kind of character, and if one perceives time differently than everyone else, that might help explain that personality trait. (Peter Pan)
Longshot was made in Mojo's realm. He has two hearts. Suppose those two hearts don't beat at the same time, or possibly don't even pump blood in the same manner or direction. Suppose when he uses his so-called "luck" powers, one of his hearts pumps blood to his brain in one direction, allowing him to access the "future" part of his powers, and when he uses his telemetry powers, the other heart kicks in but in the reverse direction. Because he's not human, we don't have to explain the impossibility of this.
Like I said, just throwing this stuff out there, and I know PAD has something way cooler to give us, but maybe someone will find this entertaining and think about Longshot in a different way.
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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby madr0x » Thu May 07, 2009 7:07 pm

durty dee wrote:I like X-factor yay!

Even tho I haven't bought a comic in a year, I like where its headed.


You must BUY X-Factor. If it ever gets cancelled, I'm blaming YOU.
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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby redjb » Thu May 07, 2009 11:37 pm

CBR has a preview of next week's ish up:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... disp=table

The recap page offers some insight into the Longshot cliffhanger...
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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby VirginiaAppleJack » Fri May 08, 2009 12:47 am

redjb wrote:CBR has a preview of next week's ish up:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... disp=table

The recap page offers some insight into the Longshot cliffhanger...

It's funny that he tells readers to dig up a copy of the Layla Miller one shot. I thought he hated readers that buy their books off a second hand market.
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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby triforce » Fri May 08, 2009 3:55 am

Is the Layla Miller one-shot going to be collected in a TPB?

X-Factor is awesome. I'm a little worried about the artwork though.
When a title fails to keep a constant level of art, it's usually a first sign of cancellation.
IMO, the artwork was better and more constant pre-Secret Invasion.
Marvel better not cancel this series though, because the writing alone is brilliant.
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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby RogueSmurf » Fri May 08, 2009 1:17 pm

Does anybody know why Pablo Riamondi never got to stay on as full-time artist? That guy was perfect!
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Re: THE Newsarama X-Factor thread

Postby SCipio_66 » Sat May 09, 2009 1:38 am

RogueSmurf wrote:Does anybody know why Pablo Riamondi never got to stay on as full-time artist? That guy was perfect!


You already have Peter David writing. If you add a good artist, that's just too much talent between one set of covers. Bad things could happen to the universe.

(Actually, the current pair of artists are pretty good. Hopefully one of them sticks around long term. Preferably the "future artist".)

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