Detective Comics

[Devil_Hanzo]

It's a decent enough story, but I look forward to the day when Detective Comics belongs to Batman, once again.

Batwoman, however, is more than just a gay character, and far more interesting now than she was when they first introduced her as the "Buxom-Lipstick-Lesbian." The thing that annoyed me the most when she was first introduced, was that is seemed as though DC wanted to portray her as a wealthy socialite, which just made her the female version of Bruce (hey, they both like girls!). The gothic angle and her relationship with her father, is more interesting than that, IMO, but still not my cup of tea.

[gwangung]

It's a decent enough story, but I look forward to the day when Detective Comics belongs to Batman, once again.

Batwoman, however, is more than just a gay character, and far more interesting now than she was when they first introduced her as the "Buxom-Lipstick-Lesbian." The thing that annoyed me the most when she was first introduced, was that is seemed as though DC wanted to portray her as a wealthy socialite, which just made her the female version of Bruce (hey, they both like girls!). The gothic angle and her relationship with her father, is more interesting than that, IMO, but still not my cup of tea.

Interesting characters are my cup of tea.

Married into money? That's interesting, with lots of intriguing dynamics (and not restricted to the stepmother)(and just how did her father and stepmother meet?).
Military background? Did she serve? Father issues?
What else drives her?

This makes her a readable character.

[Old_Salt]

As for whether I have read the material or not, why do you bother "asking" me (as you did earlier) when you have already made up your mind about the answer??

I didn't already make up my mind. I just decided I didn't believe your answer.

For example, your statement about Kate's "defining characteristic" doesn't sound like something one would get from actually reading these past issues. What it does sound like is something you parroted from something you read someone else post 33 months ago, just as 52 was wrapping up.


I mean word-for-word.

That is why I said what I said. Anyone who has actually read Detective would not make that claim. She has never been just a lesbian.

[ibistheinvincible]

As for whether I have read the material or not, why do you bother "asking" me (as you did earlier) when you have already made up your mind about the answer??

I didn't already make up my mind. I just decided I didn't believe your answer.

For example, your statement about Kate's "defining characteristic" doesn't sound like something one would get from actually reading these past issues. What it does sound like is something you parroted from something you read someone else post 33 months ago, just as 52 was wrapping up.


I mean word-for-word.

That is why I said what I said. Anyone who has actually read Detective would not make that claim. She has never been just a lesbian.

I NEVER said "she was just a lesbian". That is the work of you and Southtown Jerk imagining "connotations" where there are NONE. Being a lesbian is ONE of her defining characteristics; the other one of course being that of a "rich bitch".

[bickle]

This is a fantastic run. Somehow Rucka managed to take a train wreck of a character and turn it around. And the artwork....just incredible.

[Old_Salt]

I NEVER said "she was just a lesbian". That is the work of you and Southtown Jerk imagining "connotations" where there are NONE. Being a lesbian is ONE of her defining characteristics; the other one of course being that of a "rich bitch".

I am calling you on this. You used italics when you wrote defining. Implying that you meant it was the only one. Regardless, it has had very little to do with the Detective run. Anyone claiming otherwise has not read the issues.

[ibistheinvincible]

I NEVER said "she was just a lesbian". That is the work of you and Southtown Jerk imagining "connotations" where there are NONE. Being a lesbian is ONE of her defining characteristics; the other one of course being that of a "rich bitch".

I am calling you on this. You used italics when you wrote defining. Implying that you meant it was the only one. Regardless, it has had very little to do with the Detective run. Anyone claiming otherwise has not read the issues.

If you are siding with DC comics (who change their "version" of the truth on a whim or whenever it takes their fancy) you are in NO position to question someone else's integrity. That's just plain HYPOCRISY. So get over it man.

Besides nothing can make me like that hideous Alex Ross designed costume!

[SouthtownKid]

I am calling you on this. You used italics when you wrote defining. Implying that you meant it was the only one. Regardless, it has had very little to do with the Detective run. Anyone claiming otherwise has not read the issues.

Well, he already admitted he hadn't, but had formulated his "opinion" based on reading other people's reviews on the net... so, yeah.

But looking back, I think the first thing that set me off against his post was:

I didn't want to hold the fact that she's gay or lesbian against her

...as if he had to make an effort to give the character a chance due to her being gay. As if he normally would hold that against someone... IF he weren't making an effort.

Bah, I'll try to drop it. I know it has to be incredibly tiresome to have to scroll past post after post of me ranting against one person. Especially when every such post will then be followed by one of his, filled with backpeddling, failed deflections and rampant smileys (on that note, I apologize for his inevitable response to this).

[alaska1125]

I am calling you on this. You used italics when you wrote defining. Implying that you meant it was the only one. Regardless, it has had very little to do with the Detective run. Anyone claiming otherwise has not read the issues.

Well, he already admitted he hadn't, but had formulated his "opinion" based on reading other people's reviews on the net... so, yeah.

But looking back, I think the first thing that set me off against his post was:

I didn't want to hold the fact that she's gay or lesbian against her

...as if he had to make an effort to give the character a chance due to her being gay. As if he normally would hold that against someone... IF he weren't making an effort.

Bah, I'll try to drop it. I know it has to be incredibly tiresome to have to scroll past post after post of me ranting against one person. Especially when every such post will then be followed by one of his, filled with backpeddling, failed deflections and rampant smileys (on that note, I apologize for his inevitable response to this).

Eh...I'd accept the apology, but I read that crazy IM he sent you. Yikes. I'd prefer an apology from him. Pretty disturbing stuff on a board devoted to comics.

That said, Detective is as solid as comics get these days.

[BlueSpider]

To be honest I started buying this title for the art alone but with the first part of 'Go' last week, I can honestly say that I'm engaged in the story now, also.

Not that the last arc was bad or anything, It's just that before I could imagine people being indifferent to the actual story content. I had't read much Rucka, and after FC: Revelations I thought I had him pegged as DC's very own Bendis (in a bad way)... But now I can see why he's such a well-received writer. Oddly enough, this ish reminded me of when Bendis was still good. I hope he manages to maintain this level of writing for the rest of the run.

And as most people agree, with art this good, I think the only people who could conceivably hate on this title would be these oddballs with the severe Bruce Wayne man-chrushes and OCD-like "never skipped an issue" 'TEC subscription claims...

And if anything, to watch these posters squirming over having to deal with this semi-vampiric, 'lipstick-lesbian' Batwoman on a monthly basis helps make up - in entertainment value - for that extra dollar on the price tag (because the Question back-up isn't really doing it for me... yet)

So keep this thread alive with ignorance, stupidity and classic 'rama fanboy-isms, people!

[SeanSSD]

WRONG! Dectective is not only progressive on so many levels for DC, it has by far the best art and is moving the universe forward, giving us something new and exciting to look forward to. Also how could you say she's oe of the worst Batwoman, she technically the only one just revamped? Oh well that is why DC has 4 other Batman monthly titles and minis and many monthly guest appearances for you to choose from.